Kirk Cameron’s marriage tour

From the Daily Mail. Although I’m posting the whole article because it’s short, and so you don’t have to click bait over to it to give it more views (though, the comments are a riot: submissiveness = doormat, abuse, religious nut, etc).

Former Growing Pains star Kirk Cameron, 45, is currently on a nationwide marriage tour giving advice to couples

  • He said in a recent interview that the role of the wife in a relationship is to be submissive to her husband
  • ‘Wives are to honor and respect and follow their husband’s lead, not to tell their husband how he ought to be a better husband,’ said Cameron
  • He also urged men not to fight with their wives because it makes it difficult for their children to ever have healthy relationships
  • ‘When couples start arguing and fighting in front of the kids, dad cuts mom and mom cuts dad and the kids bleed,’ said Cameron
  • Cameron, an Evangelical Christian, has been married for 24 years and has six children with wife Chelsea Noble

Kirk Cameron says that the key to a successful marriage is a submissive wife. The former child star turned Evangelical Christian is currently on a nationwide marriage tour where he is giving his advice to couples, and said that a man and a woman each have a specific role in every relationship. ‘Wives are to honor and respect and follow their husband’s lead, not to tell their husband how he ought to be a better husband,’ Cameron, 45, said in an interview with the Christian Post. ‘When each person gets their part right, regardless of how their spouse is treating them, there is hope for real change in their marriage.’

Cameron said during his interview; ‘A lot of people don’t know that marriage comes with instructions. And, we find them right there in God’s word.’ He went on to offer advice to husband as well, mainly that they should not argue with their wives when they gave disagreements because it hurts both parties. Cameron also said it make its difficult for their children to go on and have healthy relationships. ‘Thinking that you are going to win an argument, you end up losing. It’s a no-win situation,’ said Cameron.  ‘In order for you to win, your husband or wife has to lose. When they lose, you have not built up your marriage. You have really cut them down.  ‘When couples start arguing and fighting in front of the kids, dad cuts mom and mom cuts dad and the kids bleed. They see that and it damages them. When the kids get to marriage, they will follow patterns that they see.’
He later added; ‘There is only one person on the whole planet who you can change and it’s not your spouse.’  Kirk is currently on a speaking tour, which take place mostly at Baptist churches.  Called Love Worth Fighting For, it’s billed as a ‘marriage event’ and features teaching by Cameron, as well as music, and it’s ‘designed to strengthen and encourage your marriage’. Tickets range in price from $20 to $50 for ‘VIP’ access.

One individual who seems to agree with Cameron on this is his sister, mother of three View host Candace Cameron Bure, who said she is submissive in her relationship during an interview with Yahoo Parenting last year.  ‘I used the word “submissive” because it’s from the Bible but people who don’t understand that see that as offensive,’ said Bure. ‘My husband is not a dictator. We work together but I don’t want to dig my heels in and I have no aspirations to be the ruler of my family.’ Kirk and his wife Chelsea Noble have been married for nearly 25 years and have six children. The couple met on the set of Growing Pains, and because of Cameron’s strong religious views he had Noble stand in for any woman he had to kiss after they began dating, refusing to have physical contact with anyone other than his girlfriend and later wife.

He previously gave his opinion on gender roles when promoting his film Surviving Christmas back in 2014, saying what women should do over the holiday season for the man in their life. ‘Calling all moms, wives and keepers of your home – I made this video for you, to remind you of how irreplaceable you are to your family this Christmas,’ said Cameron in his message, which he posted to social media. ‘If you are a mom, if you are a wife, if you’re the keeper of your home, I want you to know that your joy is so important this Christmas.’  He continued; ‘Let your children, your family, see your joy in the way that you decorate your home this Christmas, in the food that you cook, the songs you sing, the stories you tell, and the traditions that you keep. ‘Invite your whole neighborhood into your Christmas, and invite the world into our story of our king and his kingdom.’ Cameron also urged men to try and surprise their wives by doing the dishes one night. Cameron has over 2 million followers on Facebook and 60,000 on Twitter.  He’s also a good friend of the Duggars, appeared on their then-TLC show 18 Kids and Counting and even went to their daughter Jessa’s wedding in the fall of 2014.

For as much as his movies are terrible, it sounds like he’s keeping strict toward Biblical doctrine. He also gives good advice: husbands shouldn’t argue with wives, and that any things that may lead to arguments should not be in front of children.

If you do click over there is a lot of pictures, and unsurprisingly his wife has kept herself attractive. As a general observation, it seems like submissive wives tend to keep themselves attractive for their husbands much more than rebellious wives.

Christian Post also has an article which reiterates similar things, which means the Daily Mail didn’t intentionally alter what they were saying.

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17 Responses to Kirk Cameron’s marriage tour

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  2. donalgraeme says:

    Sounds like he is on the right page, even if his movies are not so much.

  3. feeriker says:

    Given the now-overt feminism infecting Baptist seminaries (evidence Mary Kassian), if not Baptist congregations themselves, one wonders how the “wifely submission” message will go over.

  4. SapphireYagami says:

    i’m not a fan of his movies but i do respect that he keeps to his beliefs unlike most people who call themselves christians.

  5. Zhuo says:

    Kirk Cameron, even though he gets flak (he gets bashed by secular thinkers as well, as evidenced by the memes out there), is a cool guy. Passionate about what he believes in, and it reminds me of how Jesus says blessed are those who are ridiculed for his name’s sake. Cameron stands up for what he believes in.

  6. “He also urged men not to fight with their wives …”

    How in a Christian marriage can there be an argument or a fight when the wife is subject to her husband in all things (Eph 5:24) and even if her husband obeys not the Word she is to remain silent,(1Peter 3:1). So where is it possible for a husband to argue with his wife unless the wife is clearly disobedient to scripture? Should not the husband admonish her and fight against her sin to sanctify make her and cleanse her from unrighteousness? If the wife is trying to fight with her husband she is blaspheming the Word of God according to Titus 2:5, surely a man should not tolerate blasphemy in his own home.

    Cameron is 180 degrees out of conformity with the Word when he urges men not to fight with their wives. Scripture forbids wives to fight with their husbands, not the other way around. Feminism has so deeply infected Christendom that even the Kirk Cameron’s of the world are afraid to use the whole Bible as the standard when it applies to women and the FI.

  7. SnapperTrx says:

    I was thinking the same thing. In this regard I think he is dropping the ball, but i have always had respect for his ability to stick to his guns, in Hollywood, no less!

  8. @ Jonadab-the-Rechabite

    Good point. Wives shouldn’t be arguing in the first place.

    I took it the other way in that it’s a good leadership principle for husbands never to argue. It’s counter-productive as far as leadership goes.

  9. jonakc1 says:

    Do not be fooled
    Kirk always praises his sister candace
    She is the man in her relationship and constantly praises her husband for his ability to look after the home and kids so she can travel…

    Christian… please

  10. @ Deep Strength

    Here is what the Bible says about a husband’s leadership in the home when he is married to an argumentative wife:

    Proverbs 27:15-16 “A continual dripping on a very rainy day And a contentious woman are alike; Whoever restrains her restrains the wind, And grasps oil with his right hand.”

    In other words it is a fool’s errand to restrain a rebellious woman. Unlike Cameron and the modern church, Solomon does not tell a man to submit or to lead better when their wife is trying to usurp the headship of the family. The Bible instruct women to submit to their husbands and when she does not obey it calls it blasphemy. The emphasis of scripture is that women are prone to try and take the lead and it is a grievous evil.

    The White Knights put gas on the fire as they try to validate women’s sins and shift the blame to men for being bad leaders or tyrants. If a women doesn’t submit they tell us it is because her husband isn’t the kind of loving servant leader she needs in order to submit, this is analogous to saying that the reason some people remain reprobate is because Christ is not a good enough leader. I believe that this is why Paul calls it blasphemy against the Word (Titus 2:5) when wives are disobedient to their own husbands.

    Paul tells the church to “see to it” that husbands love their wives and the wives fear (phobos) their husbands as a parallel to how the church is to fear the LORD. Paul uses that very analogy in Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church. Peter also commends Sarah as an example of a Godly wife for her obedience to her husband but also calling her husband “Lord”. (1 Pe 3:6)

    Give Kirk Cameron his due, but his message is still a compromise with the female imperative and therefore a bulwark against the needed reformation in Christian marriage. It is a counterfeit biblical marriage, looks more like the original, but not of worth because it presents a corrupted picture of Christ and the Church. I really believe that in this cultural slew the Biblical message needs to be 100 proof. Instead of the ubiquitous “don’t be doormat” the pulpits should sound “Wives submit to your husband in all things, and if that means being what the feminists call a doormat than in being a so called doormat you are imitating Christ, and living a life of holiness like Sarah whose daughter you do good and are not afraid of your treatment by obey your husband-Lord.”

    There is also a Biblical message for the men, but it is not to be delivered in the presence of the women, lest it cultivate even more discontent and fear. It likewise deals with the exercise of God’s given authority accompanied with agape and suffering for the cause of holiness, not domestic peace.

  11. feeriker says:

    Jonadab-the-Rechabite on May 8, 2016 at 10:57 am

    What you have pointed out simply proves that the FI has so completely infected absolutely everything –incuding the church– that man now fears woman more than he fears God. It’s really that simple.

  12. @Jonadab-the-Rechabite:

    It is tempting to argue with a woman but that verse in Proverbs should put that temptation to bed. Thanks for sharing it.

  13. thedeti says:

    “If you do click over there is a lot of pictures, and unsurprisingly his wife has kept herself attractive.”

    Cameron’s wife Chelsea Noble is six years older than he is. He was 20, she 26 when they married. He’s now 45, she is 51. Here’s a more current photo

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=chelsea+noble&view=detailv2&&id=AE4D5ECCD662843A904F5B363192BEBF2304333A&selectedIndex=3&ccid=OFH0Cgfb&simid=608001854957356909&thid=OIP.M3851f40a07dbc9e00728681741a60894H1&ajaxhist=0

    Here’s another.

    Noble is a professional actress who makes her living with her physical appearance. She has access to all the best diet, nutritional and physical fitness information and techniques money can buy. She acts much less and works more as a motivational speaker. So it’s not surprising she has put effort into maintaining her physical appearance.

  14. thedeti says:

    The comment I just made is in moderation because of links. Anyway, it’s of note that Noble is six years older than her husband, Kirk Cameron. He was 20 when they married, she was 26. He is now 45, which makes her currently 51.

    She is easily in the top 5% of attractiveness for women of her age group. She’s just now starting to show her age. She is still in the top 20% overall for women in terms of attractiveness.

  15. Swanny River says:

    The comment about not arguing caught my attention to, though I wasn’t sharp enough to think that the bible says it to the women. Thanks guys, who pointed that out. If I couldn’t argue, I’d live, but only because I would’ve mastered dying to self almost constantly.

  16. Pedat Ebediyah says:

    Interesting deti…she is very attractive. I know this isn’t CH, but I chuckled at these photos.

    Whose SMV is higher…hers or his?

    http://static9.imagecollect.com/preview/137/4d7efb706fadad5

  17. thedeti says:

    Pedat:

    Her SMV is higher, no question. She is easily top five percent in attractiveness for her age group. She’s in better shape than most women half her age.

    He looks like a complete dork in these photos. He is poorly dressed in ill fitting clothes. The sandals look like shit.

    her body language speaks “I am not attracted to him”. In the first photo she is turned out and away from Kirk and leaning away from him. In the second, he is leaning into her. In both photos she looks as if she just swallowed an entire lemon.

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