The flaws of liberals and conservatives

Random thought for the day as I don’t have time for a full post.

In the vein of there is no grace and mercy without justice and why men are leaders.

  • Liberals/progressives/feminists have a warped sense of a justice. Good is bad, and bad is good. Irrational.
  • Conservatives know justice, but don’t understand grace or mercy.
  • Neither groups care about repentance or the heart. Liberals destroy you if you apologize. Conservatives overtly accept the apology but still covertly hold it against you.

TL;DR. Politics are a sham, as we already knew.

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  2. Novaseeker says:

    I think Christians of all stripes need to distance themselves from politics, now more than ever. The association with some political trends has not really been helpful for Christianity in the US or for Christian issues, for the most part. I think it’s time for Christians to realize that there really isn’t a Christian perspective in our political system, and recognize that the system is based on values that are not ours.

  3. @ Nova

    Yep, I agree.

    Right now our country doesn’t ‘value’ anything remotely Christian. Pro-divorce, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-everyone-and-their-mom-can-get-married-to-each-other, and so on. Trying to “salvage” something that perhaps wasn’t even there to begin with is futile.

    Advancing the gospel is the only thing that changes hearts. Politics, especially democracy (or republic or whatever the heck we are), is a failed human system.

  4. donalgraeme says:

    Politics, especially democracy (or republic or whatever the heck we are), is a failed human system.

    This is especially true when we remember that Jesus told us that many are called but few are chosen. This nation was never really a Christian one. It certainly gave the appearance of being Christian, but was always a creature of the Enlightenment. These days people are just more honest about it.

  5. thedeti says:

    Correct, the USA was not a Christian nation. But it was founded on precepts premised on how the English speaking people of the late 18th century living here actually lived their lives day to day; and premised on their backgrounds. That was overwhelmingly Protestant Christian, mostly of the Reformed/Calvinist variety. The Declaration of Independence’s language and the political system the Constitution sets up were intended to govern a people subscribing to, and living lives premised on, a Christian worldview.

  6. Looking Glass says:

    Ideas don’t actually matter in Politics, now, just the emotions. None of us have any experience, nor is anyone even alive, that dealt in a politics that wasn’t just a de facto popularity contest of the Elites. The Constitution was for a Nation that had maybe 15% of its adult population with the privilege to vote. The more “democratic” it’s become, the more we see the failures of the of the Athenian Democracy evident. It’s a competitive spoils system, until it all falls apart. (Though that took, what, another 200+ years for that to happen?)

    The deeper issue to overcome, for Christians, is the Age of the Great Delusion. Yes, a lot more people used to claim to be Christian, but somewhere along the line, we listened to the temptation to think we had it all figured out. That we were in control of our own Sin and it wasn’t there at the door, crouching in wait for us. Just because a lot of people played along, because that was the culture, doesn’t mean we’ll ever be “liked”. To be a Christian is to reflect the failures of others back to them by the way your live your life, as you sit as an example of what they are not. Some will heed the call; others will try to destroy you. But the reality of the life of a Christian isn’t up for change. You may just be blessed to live in an easier time.

  7. hearthie says:

    thanks Els. 🙂

  8. Swanny River says:

    I agree with a gospel focus, but because of my negative experience with my church, I see an unintended consequence of your formulation.(was being gospel focused from a different post?). My church doesn’t intend to be saltless, yet the idea of silence on everything except expository preaching makes them superficial, and in regards to fighting feminism or being patriarchal, forget it. Thats too controversial for them. I’ve heard plenty of black pastors name candidates and parties and find it refreshing. An example of losing salt is our church probably votes 60/40 R/D and I see that as a lack of unity because of our adherence to politeness being rationalized by our gospel focus. Of course you are right with a gospel focus, thats biblical, but I’ve seen it carried out so poorly that its formulation leaves me cold. I don’t have an alternative short formulation though. I’ll say this, even though I agree with what you say about conservatives, I wish the nation would go that way and that my pastor would voice the same preference.
    Thank you for looking at the CBMW FAQs. Even though they didn’t interest you, I found your thoughts about them engaging. The two topics merge a bit because my pastor is a C B M W guy and several of those pastors describe themselves as gospel focused.

  9. @ Swanny River

    Well, the problem is the western Church isn’t concerned about ‘making disciples’ but rather ‘making people feel good.’

    If you haven’t seen Dalrock’s recent 10-15 posts, he covers how the CBMW started and the infestation of more feminism. I couldn’t wade through it because it was so bad, but Dalrock was able to do it.

  10. Swanny River says:

    Amen. Making disciples gets in the way of entertainment. I was thinking of the UMC social clubs it seems we function as, and the idea I came up with is that we want to be different enough to be liked but not different enough to cause conflict. Spending time discipiling means less time for making money too, and the honeys want the monies.

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