The sexual nature of women

One thing I’ve been mulling over recently is womens’ addiction to bad boys.

The first theory that is prominent to me is that women are attracted to masculinity. Unfortunately, given the current social climate, bad boys display a lot more of it than nice guys. There’s very few masculine “good men” so to speak nowadays for several reasons. Husbands and fathers are disrespected and delegitimatized, and bad boys are more like to be confident, aggressive, and take on risk than nice guys. All of which are masculine behaviors.

The second theory that I’ve been mulling over more is the temptation theory. Eve, in the garden, was tempted by Satan to want to be “more like God” and her sin caused her to be punished such that under the rule of her husband which she tries to usurp. Hence, womens’ fascination with bad boys is to be “more like God” trying to exert control over him to “fix” him.

These two things are not mutually exclusive, so it can be both.

The first theory has the most merit to me, although it does not necessarily explain all of the cases where women have fascination with bad boys. For example, some women will constantly choose or cheat with bad boys even if they have access to high status, confident masculine leaders. There’s no shortage of chronic serial cheaters.

Combined with the second theory, this would explain most, if not all, of the instances in which women will gravitate to bad boys despite access to “good masculine leaders.” This includes womens’ fascination with the “ultimate fantasy bad boys” like vampires, werewolves or even rapists and murders, where even if they are with someone or something evil they can be with them and influence them to be good. Take Disney’s Beauty and the Beast as a prime example. Other examples include 50 Shades, and whatever vampire and werewolf movies were loved primarily by women in the past few decades.

In other words, womens’ attraction to “bad boys” is two fold:

  1. Women are attracted to masculinity traits and other traits like power, status, looks, etc.
  2. Women are tempted toward bad men who they think they can control and fix. That “apple” or “bad boy” sure is appealing.

Logically, this agrees with what men analogous experience in terms of attraction to women:

  1. Men are attracted to beauty and femininity.
  2. Men are tempted by seductive, loose women like prostitutes and whores.

Both women and men can be educated that it is a bad idea to be tempted by certain populations like bad boys or whores because it will lead to ruin. However, they cannot be “changed” or “educated” to the extent that they’re not attracted to certain masculine or feminine traits in the opposite sex respectively.

I’m pretty sure that these two theories combined represent all of the nature of womens’ sexuality, but I’m open to other options if there is evidence to support them.

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32 Responses to The sexual nature of women

  1. SnapperTrx says:

    I’ll have to read this a couple of times and mull it over…..

  2. earl says:

    I think both theories are correct. It would probably explain the ‘fried ice’ model well.

    Women want a powerful masculine man they can control. But yet if they do, then the man isn’t masculine to them anymore.

    So hence they have to make a choice…do they want control or do they want a man? They can’t have both.

    God set it up…she’ll always have that desire, but as the husband you are the head.

  3. Wayne says:

    I have a couple other ideas.
    I believe there is a spiritual aspect, too. Like attracts like. Birds of a feather flock together. etc. etc. Young women might be attracted to bad boys because they are in rebellion, or are bad themselves. Maybe their badness is not obvious on their pretty exteriors, but if they are drawn to it, then that speaks for it’s self. From this perspective, hitting the wall, ‘waking up’, and becoming marriage minded, could be likened unto a kind of ‘repentance’, in which they realize the folly of their bad ways. This aspect could also tie into your #2 ‘control’ aspect – bad girls can’t trust or utilize agency, so they seek to control, and BE controlled, basically reducing the interaction to a power game.
    Also, remember that your #1 point, the draw towards masculinity, is genetically hardwired, and also ordained by God according to his archetype for male female relations. Because of this, ‘the draw’ escapes total condemnation, and can thus be easily hamsterized.

  4. JT Anderson says:

    Your second theory is interesting. I never thought of it from that angle but it seems like a sensible explaination. Though it might be more of a relationship attractor than a sexual attraction per se.

    I think that a woman’s sexual desire can be summed up as a single desire: loss of control.

    I’ve written about this idea in detail on my blog: http://savingeve.net/the-female-arousal-formula/

  5. I think the first issue is to sort the assumptive differences between Men & Women. Women are far more bound to their instinctive desires than Men are, along with those desires being fairly different. This is the reason why the Solipsistic Nature of Women is important to understand in context. It’s a positive feature that’s been corrupted by Sin, not a curse upon Women.

    That’s important because without the solipsism, Women would be petrified in fear all day. The upside is that they can be productive in many ways, but the downside is that they lack situational awareness and do really stupid things if they lack boundaries around them. Women lack the internal tethers that any Man that’s allowed to make his way in the world has. This is also the reason why Women are terrible at play-acting like Men, as the lack of self-control they display would get them killed rather quickly if they were actually Male.

    AF/BB is a strategy, yes, but it’s completely instinctive for Women. They’re optimizing around their current situation and what their body is screaming at them to do. So, the draw of the Bad Boy plays on the aspects of AF.

    By definition, the “bad boy” is someone they’re not supposed to be attracted to. He is a man outside of the current “norm” and his actual physical stature doesn’t matter that much. He is displaying some form of Will to Power (even if it’s just a desire to get into her pants) and the ability to conform the World to his image. I brought this up in a thread in the recent past, but the furthest you can break down Masculinity is two concepts: 1) Ability to Conform the World to your Will and 2) Ability to Withstand the World. Basically, Power (however defined) and Health. This is what Women are attracted to, at the instinctive level.

    The first one, the versions of Power, to a Woman are different than to a Man. Men have to be cognizant of not stepping afoul of certain lines, as death rapidly awaits on the other side. Women don’t view Order or Social Groupings in that way. They are always in competition with other Women, whereas Men normally aren’t, generally, with other Men. If Men are, it’s to the death.

    But, who’s the ultimate Power? What did the Serpent ask Eve? That’s where the sexual desire & tension comes from. He has something she can’t have, and he’s far enough away (by whatever local metrics, since Women are solipsistic) that he’s clearly displaying some imagined Image of God within him.

    The core of the issue for the attraction to “bad boys” is a blend of the two ideas brought up in the post itself. They’re not actually separate. The Bad Boy brings a proxy for masculinity mixed with temptation to be like God, and it hits a Woman right in the Baby Making instinct. There is a reason the fantasy that a Woman can construct is more powerful than the reality of attempting to carry through that fantasy.

  6. @ Wayne

    I believe there is a spiritual aspect, too. Like attracts like. Birds of a feather flock together. etc. etc. Young women might be attracted to bad boys because they are in rebellion, or are bad themselves. Maybe their badness is not obvious on their pretty exteriors, but if they are drawn to it, then that speaks for it’s self. From this perspective, hitting the wall, ‘waking up’, and becoming marriage minded, could be likened unto a kind of ‘repentance’, in which they realize the folly of their bad ways. This aspect could also tie into your #2 ‘control’ aspect – bad girls can’t trust or utilize agency, so they seek to control, and BE controlled, basically reducing the interaction to a power game.

    I agree that like attracts like which is basically reciprocal systems. However, I’m not quite sure it fits into a raw sexual model. Like attracts like is similar to assortive mating.

    For example, even happily married women (Christian or not) will feel the draw of romance novels and/or emotional pornography like 50 SoG. I don’t think it’s any different than mens’ draw toward regular pornography or coveting other women even if they are happily married.

    In these particular cases, it’s more of “opportunity” rather than “reciprocality.” Young women that are rebellious will naturally pair up with “bad boys” because bad boys are more willing to engage in premarital sex and other illicit behavior than nice guys who want to date, court, and/or get married.

    Women wake up because of friends getting married and having kids, declining looks, and/or biological response to declining fertility… not so much because it’s a conscious response (although it can end up as a conscious response).

  7. @ JT Anderson

    Your second theory is interesting. I never thought of it from that angle but it seems like a sensible explaination. Though it might be more of a relationship attractor than a sexual attraction per se.

    I think that a woman’s sexual desire can be summed up as a single desire: loss of control.

    I think “power” or rather “displayed/exerted power” fits the bill better. Or alternatively, “imposing your Will” as LG is referring to.

    Loss of control is basically the female response to exerted power. However, loss of control does not also explain womens’ sexual response to the competition two champion MMA fighters. Another example would be men leading/commanding other men, such as the military, business, and so on.

    Lest we forget this:

  8. Wayne says:

    @DS
    The video you shared helps me understand what you’re getting at. It’s the feral nature, obviously.
    I do agree that it’s a fascinating subject of interest, especially to see it occurring (like in the video). But I think you might be forever frustrated in formulating a satisfying rational explanation of that. King Solomon said it was one of four unfathomable mysteries that he could never understand (Proverbs 30:18-19). Since he was a wealthy King with a notch count well over 1,000, and a contributing author to the Bible, I’ll be content to take his word on that.
    Long and short of the story (for me): Just enjoy it for what it is. Find a woman who does that for you, and wife her up.

  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The why and wherefore are of little import. That good men are not given an opportunity to compete is. There is no way they can fix this. Women were the last thing that God made. It is past time to leave it in His hands and to accept the celibacy that He indirectly imposed. We have all tried hard enough.

  10. @ fuzziewuzziebear

    It helps men who want to pursue marriage to understand womens’ sexual attraction factors. Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but information does help.

  11. @ LG

    By definition, the “bad boy” is someone they’re not supposed to be attracted to. He is a man outside of the current “norm” and his actual physical stature doesn’t matter that much. He is displaying some form of Will to Power (even if it’s just a desire to get into her pants) and the ability to conform the World to his image. I brought this up in a thread in the recent past, but the furthest you can break down Masculinity is two concepts: 1) Ability to Conform the World to your Will and 2) Ability to Withstand the World. Basically, Power (however defined) and Health. This is what Women are attracted to, at the instinctive level.

    This is good.

    I’d choose “fitness” over “health” as fitness encompasses a bit more in terms of physical ability + health.

  12. @DS:

    “Fitness” is a good choice as well. It also works for both Men & Women as attraction baselines & vectors, though the application is different.

    As to the Woman in the video you posted, she’s literally smelling the Testosterone off of the guys and she was likely close to her ovulation phase. She very likely couldn’t physically stop looking. Her base instincts were screaming at her to mate with all of the Men parading in front of her.

    There’s a good thread of insight to intense attraction in a Woman completely untethering her, which explains why a Woman that is really after a Man will go to impressive lengths to get his attention. We make jokes about professional athletes fathering lots of children, but the reality is that there is a host of Women going to impressive amounts of work to have their children. Obviously, it’s part “Get Rich Quick” scheme, but the deeper reality is that a lot of Women enthusiastically go about the process of attracting those types of Men long enough to get a child from them. That untethered aspect, though, would explain the attraction to Men that aren’t moved a Woman’s emotional state.

    Back to Female Social Dynamics, Women shun the outliers & outsiders. They are a danger to the Woman’s place in the current hierarchy. She may want to move up, but she definitely doesn’t want to move down. This implies that, to a Woman, the dangerous Man is the outsider or outlier, at least when it comes to peaking her interests. Reality is they tend not to be very keen on those Men after getting close enough to them to understand them better, but, when you’re within a more confined social space of a modern nation, generally most Men aren’t that dangerous.

    You do see that, in general, a Man’s peak attraction from a Woman is when he is new to her social scene. We get this nature taken up to 11 via the fantasies involving Werewolves & Vampires. He’s dark, mysterious and potentially dangerous! Except he’s not a horror movie cliche but a physical outlier that wants to whisk the Woman away to his castle. The fantasy is based on a “safe” danger that a Woman, via the power of her “her-ness”, can change for the better.

    This also does point to why Social Proof is so important. It’s a social standing state that establishes a Man at a level above others. It points to a version of “Social Power” that establishes a Man within the current hierarchy. A Man is most interesting, to a Woman, when he’s at the top or a potential usurper. (Note the enduring attraction to revolutionaries, murders and other horrible Men.) More proof to why DGAF personality and Friendzones operate the way they do.

  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Deep Strength,
    As for the boys, adaptation is not going to help. Their hearts and motives are in the right place. Only in the last few weeks have I seen how deep this attraction to “bad boys” goes.

  14. Marlow says:

    Men are tempted by seductive, loose women like prostitutes and whores.

    While you are obviously not making a universal claim for either all men or all women in your original post, I think it is still worth pointing out that there are phenotypical variations in mating strategies. In other words, some men are repulsed by “prostitutes and whores” and some women are repulsed by “bad boys.” Culture plays a part in this, as alternate mating strategies (monogamy for men, non-hypergamy/hypogamy for women) are potentially costly if the surrounding environment does not make the risk worthwhile. The current world, having removed many constraints in the environment, places the alternate mating strategies (which are, in a few cases, ideal by Christian standards) at a disadvantage.

  15. SnapperTrx says:

    Women are hard wired to be attracted to masculinity. Women are also hard wired to crave drama like oxygen. “Bad boy” archetypes fulfill both needs. A masculine guy may fill the masculine requirement, but unless he is willing to put his foot down and get rough with her when she gets out of line the drama requirement doesn’t get filled. A masculine bad boy, though, certainly fills both requirements. He’s a jerk. He’s unreliable. He may take her in his arms and screw her silly one moment then grab her and shake her out of anger for her stupidity in the next. A reliable, yet masculine man will likely never do that. He may be masculine, but he is too civilized to lay hands on a woman.

    I recall a story I read a long time ago, it was written, if I remember right, around the turn of the century about a woman who would receive a harsh hand from her husband when she messed up. Her girlfriend, however, could not get her own husband to lay a hand on her in anger and it frustrated her to no end! Why? Because he showed no backbone, and because he refused to administer the hand of justice she felt he didn’t love her very much. The story ended with the girlfriend throwing a fit, trashing the room and being a bit of a bitch which, to her dismay, her husband responded by washing the dishes!

    Now, this is not me saying husbands have free reign to beat their wives but rather that a majority of women love a hard body, but also love to be able to push a mans buttons and know that sometimes he will push back. RomComs don’t thrive off of the heroine falling for a nerdy, genteel fellow, but typically the “bad boy” who has enough of a chip on his shoulder that he doesn’t readily fall for her, but only does after sparring with her for a bit.

    Just my 2 cents.

  16. Novaseeker says:

    @Snapper —

    Now, this is not me saying husbands have free reign to beat their wives but rather that a majority of women love a hard body, but also love to be able to push a mans buttons and know that sometimes he will push back.

    Yes, although I’d say these are two aspects of “masculine” — physical and mental/persona. If a man has one but not the other, it is viewed as incongruent by women and as unmasculine. So the main fails DS’s Test 1.

    As for “drama”, I think that’s true, as well, but I think it has to do with women’s need for emotional communication. Women are capable of rational discussion, no question, but they far prefer emotional communication, and in order to satisfy the need she has for “feeling the ups and downs of her emotions” she needs regular emotional communication. What I mean here is NOT “talking about your feelings” with the woman. Not at all. What I mean is speaking to her (and doing things) emotionally rather than rationally. That means saying/doing things in order to elicit certain emotions, to trigger them, to have her feel them, experience them, and to be there with her as she does. So it’s basically like she’s a musical instrument, and the keys (or frets or what have you) are triggers for her various emotions — you need to know what to do to elicit emotions in her, so she can experience them, ride them, flow into them and then land on you after as the source of safety, the stable rock. That’s what women mean when they yammer on about “making them feel safe” really — it’s about being safe to feel those things because you are stable, and it works much better if you can actually elicit those emotions in her, play her like an emotional instrument depending on what feelings she needs to feel in the moment, and hold her hand metaphorically (and sometimes physically) as she experiences them.

    This requires (1) knowing your woman’s emotional triggers, (2) reading what is going on emotionally with her at any given time (not asking … reading without her saying), and (3) calibrating what you are saying/doing to trigger emotions that she needs to feel in that situation. It isn’t “manipulation”, it’s simply giving her what she needs in a given situation emotionally and being there for her to experience it safely. Women need this like oxygen, as you say. And most men are terrible at doing it because we prefer to communicate rationally, most of us suck at reading the emotional state of others, many of us are clueless as to how to elicit certain emotions in the women in our lives, and so on. Most men fail at this, in other words. The bad boys succeed at it by being abusive, which in itself always creates strong emotions in the woman, but they need more emotions than those, and the bad boys can’t give those. Sadly, most good guys can’t give this at all because they have no clue about it or about how to do it other than “to be supportive”, which is not what most women want. Most women want to experience strong emotions regularly, they need to, they do not feel alive and well if they do not, they feel numb and disconnected (so different from men!).

    [[This is also how you should deal with arguments with women as well, mind you, if you bother to have arguments with them. It’s better not to, but if you do, have them emotionally, not rationally. The goal isn’t to convince her rationally — you will never do that. Once a woman is in argue with man mode, she is experiencing high emotions, and will not be rationally swayed. You need to recognize her emotional state, recognize where she needs to go to feel safe/better, and trigger those feelings through your words (and actions) in the argument. This will end the argument in a positive way, and while the actual “issue” she wanted to discuss may remain unresolved, it often will just fade away because the real issue was actually what she was feeling and not the actual issue anyway. Just some friendly advice.]]

    This also relates to her sexual attraction, I think, to bring things back to the OP. When a man can speak/act in a way that triggers women’s emotions on a regular basis, she is super attracted sexually, generally speaking. The wires connect — a man who takes her on an emotional slalom run (pardon the seasonal reference) is a man who makes her hot for him, almost every single time without exception. However, aside from bad boys (who, again, do this from abuse), very few men can actually do this regularly, so most women are disappointed in them, and will seek out that emotional excitement elsewhere if they feel they have to.

  17. Lost Patrol says:

    Long and short of the story (for me): Just enjoy it for what it is. Find a woman who does that for you, and wife her up.

    Good advice for marriage minded men.

    Counterpoint. Unless the “does that for you” is blatantly, plainly obvious – avoid, abort, eject, and do NOT marry that woman. Don’t do it. Did I mention that you should not marry a woman that does not clearly have the hots for you? Well don’t. You’re unlikely to find a way to generate this later if it wasn’t there from the beginning.

    And if you could it would be way too much work and wouldn’t seem genuine.

  18. SnapperTrx says:

    I’m not sure about this. We are talking about a specific subset of emotions. A guy who shows nothing but love, caring and understanding for his wife may find himself still being left behind for Johnny bad-boy as she starts to find him unattractive, even if he is physically attractive. In the meantime a jerk who is moderately attractive and treats his woman like garbage will find himself with little worry that his woman will leave because he has another waiting in the wings! There, then, is the rub! How many “nice guys” have lamented that women just seem to LOVE being mistreated? Oh sure she will leave Johnny bad-boy for a while, but she’ll come running back if she can. The story plays out over and over. It seems less an emotional gambit and more of a emotional starvation: Nice guys, no matter how masculine they are in body, can still lose it if they can’t fulfill her desire for DRAMA! I forget where I found the article titled “Love your woman, be mean to her every once in a while” in which the writer (it was a red-pill site, I remember that much) extolled the benefits of sometimes just being downright mean to your woman because in the end it makes her feel MORE loved! The problem is that most men cant bring themselves to cross through the fires of being mean, as it completely goes against their “gentlemanly training”, but they also cannot cross through the fires of having their wives be mad at them for a time.

    I understand where your coming from and I think your on the right track, but I think its slightly missing the mark.

  19. Novaseeker says:

    We are talking about a specific subset of emotions.

    I actually don’t think so, no, but perhaps we are saying the same thing in essence in a different way.

    I agree that if all you can make her feel is loved and protected, you’re sunk — it’s like trying to play the piano when you can only press two keys. Doesn’t work. You need to play all the keys well. That means all the emotions. You need to make her feel strong emotions across the spectrum consistently, based on reading what her emotional state is, and providing what she needs emotionally at that time. That may be comfort, it may be aloofness, it may be safety, it may be pure excitement and adventure, it may be the anxiety of uncertainty, and so on. The whole keyboard needs to be at your disposal. You need all the keys to be able to trigger all of the emotions when they are called to be triggered.

    Perhaps this is a different way of saying “drama”? When women are regularly experiencing their full spectrum of emotions, they feel alive and not numb or boring (one of their bigger emotional fears, generally). This is akin to drama, because, again, it involves the whole scale of emotions, good and bad, which is what is craved. I think men sometimes focus on the bad emotions because it is so odd to us that they can crave to feel them (we don’t) and so we think they crave drama, when in actuality they crave to feel the entire spectrum, and it’s that part that isn’t being felt, precisely because we think no sane person wants to feel them — well they do, because they aren’t wired mentally like men are.

    So maybe we’re saying something similar in a different way, I think.

  20. @ Snapper / Nova

    I think you’re sort of talking about two different things, although they somewhat overlap.

    Men stimulate and/or manage negative emotions positively when they:

    1. Tease women
    2. Call out their mistakes and expect better from them
    3. Call out crazy when crazy happens
    4. Don’t give in to any arguing or get offended by negative emotions
    5. Saying “no”

    And things of that nature.

    In other words, women want to feel the positive and negative emotions interacting with a masculine backbone (or authority, if you prefer). Letting a woman run wild is the worst thing you can do.

    I think Snapper is specifically referring to the subset who are already in a disordered state compared to “normal” women. Women who become addicted to negative emotional stimulation tend to be bipolar or otherwise psychologically disordered due to absent or lack of male authority in their lives. The ones who are addicted to “outrage” in particular we call SJWs.

    We wouldn’t call “alcohols” or “drug users” normal, but we can see how the temptation to do these things may result in negative feedback loops which spiral into addiction.

    So to summarize:

    1. All women want to feel good and negative emotions in context under strong masculine presence. This is normal and healthy part of a relationship.

    2. Women who do not have a solid male presence may potentially become addicted to negative emotional stimulation.

  21. Wayne says:

    1. All women want to feel good and negative emotions in context under strong masculine presence. This is normal and healthy part of a relationship.

    2. Women who do not have a solid male presence may potentially become addicted to negative emotional stimulation.

    I would summarize this as a difference in spiritual constitution. See my first comment above.

  22. earl says:

    Speak of the devil…a ‘good’ girl (at least at the time) chronicles her time with a ‘bad boy’. All the rebellion, abuse, and thrills.

    https://livinglarosa.com/2018/02/13/when-you-when-i-words-of-an-abusive-relationship/

    Long read but see if you can find your two theories in there.

  23. SnapperTrx says:

    I couldn’t even read the first few lines. Mindless, repetitive drivel. Ill take your word on it.

  24. SnapperTrx says:

    I would agree were it not for the tendency of even level-headed “good girls” falling head over heels for, well…heels! Having grown up in church I have seen young girls, in good homes, both parents around, end up dating/marrying their own personal bad-boys and going through the emotional wringer, all of their own volition! It makes one wonder if women really do just enjoy being mistreated! I mean, if the standard model “husband” were to go mistreat his wife he would be derided and hated, but get any punk jock dickhead to do it and she would be delightfully annoyed and that’s about it! I’m not talking about some thug assaulting her, but lets just say some swole jerk boy at the gym who starts harassing her in a mean way. If her husband tried to pull that off it would be “cruel” but when jerk boy does it then its a turn on!

    Even with a “solid male presence” women like to be mistreated by men who are hot and cause drama. Doesn’t matter, Christian or not.

  25. @ SnapperTrx

    I would agree were it not for the tendency of even level-headed “good girls” falling head over heels for, well…heels! Having grown up in church I have seen young girls, in good homes, both parents around, end up dating/marrying their own personal bad-boys and going through the emotional wringer, all of their own volition! It makes one wonder if women really do just enjoy being mistreated! I mean, if the standard model “husband” were to go mistreat his wife he would be derided and hated, but get any punk jock dickhead to do it and she would be delightfully annoyed and that’s about it! I’m not talking about some thug assaulting her, but lets just say some swole jerk boy at the gym who starts harassing her in a mean way. If her husband tried to pull that off it would be “cruel” but when jerk boy does it then its a turn on!

    It’s tiers.

    Consider the fatherlessness statistics:

    ~ 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
    ~ 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
    ~ 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
    ~ 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
    ~ 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

    Despite the high prevalence of these issues from fatherless homes, 37% of youth suicides, 10% of runaways, 15% of behavior disorders, 20% of rapists, and 29% of high school dropouts still comes from homes with a father or equivalent. Although I bet you could also parse out the data to show that most of these come from live in boyfriends and step-fathers as opposed to regular fathers.

    The tiers of male authority I would suspect are:

    1. Fatherless homes
    2. Live in boyfriends
    3. Step father homes
    4. Homes with weak fathers (e.g mom is the boss)
    5. Homes with strong fathers (e.g. patriarchy)
    6. Homes with strong fathers who teach their sons and daughters about sexuality, virginity, actions, and consequences

    3 and 4 might be interchangable if the step father is a strong father figure.

    Most regular “church” families from what I have seen do not educate their children about the Bible (a la Deuternomy 6) nor do they talk to their teenagers about avoiding the pitfalls of pre-marital sexuality and the seductiveness of bad boys and/or loose women.

  26. earl says:

    I couldn’t even read the first few lines. Mindless, repetitive drivel. Ill take your word on it.

    I didn’t really read it all either for pretty much the same reasons…I think I made it to the halfway point or wherever it was the 50th time she said the guy made her feel great then bad and told her to do things.

  27. earl says:

    Even with a “solid male presence” women like to be mistreated by men who are hot and cause drama. Doesn’t matter, Christian or not.

    I go back to the garden…Eve had God, Adam, and paradise…she still was tempted by the serpent.

  28. SnapperTrx says:

    Yes, but we are talking about the nature of women, not what they have been taught. It seems to be the natural tendency of women to gravitate towards masculine men who DGAF about much other than themselves. Of course they can be taught that pursuing such men can have negative consequences, but left to their own devices (and often DESPITE teaching) they will naturally be attracted to jerk-boy because he gives her the infamous tingles.

  29. @ SnapperTrx

    In the absence of God and education about the pitfalls and consequences of sin, everyone defaults to temptation. That’s fallen human nature.

    Women default to bad boys, whoring themselves out, single motherhood, and welfare. Men default to being bad boys, gangs, porn and/or basement dwellers.

    I don’t see a reason for getting so worked up about women in particular, unless one is still in the anger phase of the 5 stages of grief.

  30. Wayne says:

    I had a novel idea while rewatching the video DS shared earlier.

    Let’s suppose that (1) the Tingles are simply a biochemical response that women have when they are exposed to male Testosterone, in combination with some other factor, such as the right combination of pheromones, for instance. And… (2) just by coincidence, the set of behaviors common to high T men happen to fit society’s definition of a ‘bad boy’.

    In other words, Tingles (1) and bad boy behaviors (2) are merely cofactors of Testosterone, with no direct link to each other. I think this theory should remove all the confusion over the question of why women are drawn to bad boys.

  31. earl says:

    Shoot at the way this gynocentric culture is going…the definition of a ‘bad boy’ is probably a guy who has T. Doesn’t matter if he’s virtuous or a cad.

    You don’t need to engage in risky behavior or sin…just be masculine.

  32. @ Wayne, earl

    I definitely think testosterone and pheremones play a role.

    Fighting (physical dominance) and fame are also very primal sexually arousing factors for women.

    For the women in the first video, I definitely think that pheremones probably played a role and/or she was ovulating. If you watch the other stage girls, they can’t help but look either but their reactions aren’t as exaggerated.

    Here’s a couple more examples:

    Champion + muscles + sad story:

    Pure muscles:

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