Sexlessness is rising but…

Lots of different sources on this study but here’s one that I ran across.

The analysis found that since 2008, the percentage of men under 30 reporting no sex had nearly tripled to 28 percent, compared with an 8 percent increase reported by women in the same age bracket. It found that 18 percent of women between the ages of 18 and 30 reported no sex in the past year.

Given that obesity in this age group is probably around about 20-25% given the trends in the US, I’m not exactly surprised by these statistics. That means the vast majority normal and overweight men and women in this age group are still having sex if they try.

The temptation is still real even though the 80/20 rule is parroted a lot. Not just the top 20% of men are having all of the sex.

Though there is a loud vocal Incel/MGTOW movement online, it’s not really showing up in the statistics just yet. If we see the men stats continue to jump toward 40% while obesity and other rates stay the same or drop, I’d say there’s a case for it showing up.

Edit: forgot to add in the share of adults living with parents or grandparents.

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Probably isn’t surprising this trend is increasing on both sides. The downward curve in the 1940s to 1960s is decline in multi-generational housing. The latter upward trend seems to be on the flipside of that: financial, laziness, or other factors.

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21 Responses to Sexlessness is rising but…

  1. Wood Chipper says:

    Are people just shocked in the same way that they were when housing values dropped for the first time in history? Related to MGTOW, how much value SHOULD people have in home ownership or sex? It’s fun, it feels great, but as people are having families in smaller numbers, what is peak non-procreative sex supposed to be?

  2. Incel is a government Op at this point, so it’s going to be a lot noisier than it is real.

  3. Jack says:

    Don’t forget… Men overstate their number, while women understate theirs.

  4. cynicinchief says:

    The question isn’t “have you had sex in the past year”, but is “have you ever had sex”. Many MGTOWs have had sex before (often they were screwed over in a divorce), but have gone celibate. Similarly with incels who have had sex once or twice, but never since then.

    The point about obesity is a big one (pun intended). There are a significant number of obese omegas out there who skew the statistics. Combine those with the handful of vocels (voluntarily celibate, usually Christians who take it seriously) and you get the above statistics.

  5. @ cynicinchief

    The question isn’t “have you had sex in the past year”, but is “have you ever had sex”. Many MGTOWs have had sex before (often they were screwed over in a divorce), but have gone celibate. Similarly with incels who have had sex once or twice, but never since then.

    Definitely. A decent percentage of the MGTOWs are probably men who were frivorced. I’d be interested to see the stats of sexlessness over 5 years. It would be a smaller percentage, but probably vocal. Maybe 5-10% at most.

    I added in the stats on adults living at home with parents or grandparents in the OP too. Shows a similar trend.

  6. seventiesjason says:

    The smartest answer which I didn’t say, or have the right words for.

    “Don’t forget… Men overstate their number, while women understate theirs”

    Some things never change. When I was learning (cough) Game at a Bootcamp back in 2000 with prize-horses-ass D. DeAngelo….the whole group of instructors made it out as if they just want up to women, said “ehloo” and you know….she just couldn’t help herself……..they went into the back alley, her car, her apartment, got a hotel room and knocked boots. Simple.

    How many times in my “worldly walk” I heard women in my larger social circle meet a *hot* guy at a nightclub, show, or gallery in San Francisco and I overhear them say “I don’t usually do this, cause I’m a good girl, but I am just imagining you naked right now” (heard this every week from more than a few) and an easy hookup for her…but shhhhhhhh…..she’s a really good girl!

    Who are they asking? Full time college kids? People in big cities only? Online surveys that appear only on dating sites????

    The reality is this in my area of California. 20% of the men……are pretty much dating 80% of the women. Sites and clubs like “California Cougar” and “Midnight At The Oasis” are full of older women getting horny young good looking men for just sex…usually these men take a “fee” as well.

    I was at soul night at a Brit Pub…….80? 90 guys ages mid twenties thru forties……maybe ten women…….they all had their eye on the same two, three guys…..anyone else was wasting their time….and these women were far from ‘victoria secret models’ cute…sure……but hot???? No.

    I was getting a chuckle watching a lot of decent looking younger guys getting flat out rejected, ignored or cold-buffed by the women there….and no, they were not awkward….far from poorly dressed…and not overweight

    DS likes to assume if you are not getting dates as a man you *must* be overweight, out of shape, and you forgot to bathe for the past week before going out on a Friday…….

    So goes California so goes the USA…….the thirst is REAL and its deep out here…….more and more younger men will just go silent and not even pursue or try….not because of “confidence” but because they know what the answer will be……and instead of getting shamed on a page like this for not being like the writer……they just give up….watch porn, get mean and nasty about women, or just ghost……..

    The real problem still isn’t being addressed…………….women value looks just as men do, and even an average gal knows *chad* will come to her eventually just for a hook-up…and she won’t refuse.

    It was bad when I was coming up in the late 1980’s, but its worse now…….and again, the comments in the OP talk about “being overweight and living at home” is the problem.

    No…..the problem is women know men are thirsty……and when she gets older, she can then be the “nice” girl and get average guy….in many cases an above average guy…..because from me witnessing first hand…..even many of these men are sexless and dateless. A shock to me

  7. Taylor C says:

    You sound overweight.

  8. seventiesjason says:

    Projection is something you need to work on Taylor C, as for my weight……I don’t even need to own a scale because I’ve been the same weight for twenty years……..and even the camera adding twenty pounds I still am slender 😉

    I’ve got an ugly face and now almost fifty…balding. …..two evil strikes, but Jesus loves me “just the way I am” lol

  9. seventiesjason says:

    And may I add…..many if not all of the people commenting are married, and have had sex in the past year, or are in that top 20%

    Maybe DS should go to that Christina Incel / vocel group and ask them their opinions

  10. theasdgamer says:

    Yeah, ugly is such a tingle killer. Somebody should have told Bob Hope and Bill Murray and Henry Kissinger that, because they didn’t obviously get the message.

    Women chase dominance far more than looks. Status will give you social dominance. You can get status if you can create social proof. Chat up bouncers, waitresses, and random people when you go out to gain social proof. Make several women laugh and giggle and you will get social proof.

    Chat up people and make women laugh and giggle =>
    Social proof => status => social dominance => tingles

    But, hey, that takes work, and if you’re lazy it’s just easier to swallow the Blue Pill.

  11. theasdgamer says:

    Jason, I’m about 45 lbs. overweight and I’m balding and over 60 y.o. and medium height and there’s a very pretty 25 y.o. blonde who was asking me to hang out with her last Fri. night after her friends went home from the bar. She wouldn’t directly ask me for a date because of ASD.

    I chat up lots of people and dance with lots of girls. And I make girls laugh and giggle when I tease them. I have clean jokes to tell when I go out. Clean, but funny. And I tease girls about being tomboys or cheerleaders for the chess club or guessing that they work as mechanics or about acting like entitled princesses.

  12. seventiesjason says:

    Bil Murray isn’t ugly, not was Bob Hope. Average looking men. Kissinger? As a younger man he was pretty striking…..and I thought you were married???????

    Making a girl laugh doesn’t means she likes you, wants to date you or wants to see you naked.

    and this:

    “But, hey, that takes work, and if you’re lazy it’s just easier to swallow the Blue Pill.”

    Save your negs and put downs for the for women……..you Game types ALWAYS use them on men, in fact I have never witnessed ANY men like you using this talk on a woman. Talk about blue pill.

    Idiot.

  13. Novaseeker says:

    Ah. I didn’t think of the obesity issue, actually. There are more fat guys than fat women at that age level, and that likely accounts for a lot of the difference. The non-fat women are having sex with the smaller percentage of men who are also non-fat, and the larger percentage of men who are fat (larger percentage than women) are not having sex. Makes sense. It’s too bad that they didn’t map that in the piece.

  14. Joe2 says:

    The question isn’t “have you had sex in the past year”, but is “have you ever had sex”.

    It all depends on the definition of what “had sex” is. The survey may reflect a greater percentage of participants who engage in a similar activity as Bill Clinton did and, like him, believe it wasn’t sex, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

  15. theasdgamer says:

    Bill Murray is most certainly ugly. Bob Hope was as well because his face was crushed in a logging accident. And Henry Kissinger was slaying it in his 50s when he was an ugly troll…with Jill St. John.

    Making a girl laugh doesn’t means she likes you, wants to date you or wants to see you naked.

    True, but that’s not the point. When other women see girls laughing when they are with you, you will be preselected. Social proof obtains. (Of course, you still have to sexualize in some manner with which you are comfortable.) If you didn’t understand this basic thing about women, then you need to study.

    And my cutting remark wasn’t a neg, but a goad. Negs are used to instill self doubt in a woman. Doubt isn’t your problem. You are full of excuses. Wonder why that is?

    I’m married. So what?

  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Don’t forget… Men overstate their number while women understate.”

    Huh??? Then conventional wisdom would have the men having all the sex while the women are sainted virgins. What is reported is the exact opposite. What I think we are seeing is hypergamy run amok. The 80/20 rule doesn’t apply, it is more like 98/2. I don’t see this thing slowing down until we hit something similar to what happened eight thousand years ago, where, for every man who reproduced, over seventeen women were.

    Also, there are more obese women than men at any demographic.

    As for “Game”, I don’t think that it is going to help. What worries me is that we are headed for something that will require Divine Intervention. How that plays out will be anything but gentle.

  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have to add more. The last that I heard, obesity in women is about thirty seven percent. Add that to being simply overweight, that accounts for two thirds of women.

    The top chart has been displayed elsewhere and it is used as evidence of the effect that Tinder is having. Women are using it to have short term, very short term, relationships with men out of their sexual league, while average guys are stuck on the bench. This can’t last, but I can’t see a way of it ending. My crystal ball gets foggy. The only thing that is clear is that God doesn’t like being made a liar of by hypergamous women. He did want us to have helpmeets.

  18. Joe2 says:

    I’m about 45 lbs. overweight and I’m balding and over 60 y.o. and medium height and there’s a very pretty 25 y.o. blonde who was asking me to hang out with her last Fri. night after her friends went home from the bar….I chat up lots of people and dance with lots of girls. And I make girls laugh and giggle when I tease them. I have clean jokes to tell when I go out.

    That’s great, but I hope you are not buying any of them drinks and food. It’s very easy to attract a following when you open your wallet. Women are experts at deception and can easily fool you into believing that you are funny when, in reality, what they only care about are the drinks and food.

  19. theasdgamer says:

    Joe, sometimes women hit me up for drinks (hint: “I dance after I’ve had a few drinks.”), but I never buy them anything. The most they’ll get from me is a dance and convo. I frequently get asked, “How do you do it?” I tell guys that I’m just out to enjoy myself and I try to bring the party to other people.

  20. @ Nova

    Ah. I didn’t think of the obesity issue, actually. There are more fat guys than fat women at that age level, and that likely accounts for a lot of the difference. The non-fat women are having sex with the smaller percentage of men who are also non-fat, and the larger percentage of men who are fat (larger percentage than women) are not having sex. Makes sense. It’s too bad that they didn’t map that in the piece.

    I don’t know if you saw my edit, but I added in the stats for young people who live at home with their parents (post college). It also pretty much mirrors the sexlessness stats as well.

    I’m going to try to do some more analysis on this in a bit.

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