Paul Maxwell’s journey to apostasy

WinteryKnight posted a couple weeks ago about how Kevin Max formerly of DC talk isn’t a Christian anymore. Sad cause DC talk was one of my favorite bands growing up. WK does good analysis that most Christians nowadays aren’t grounded in solid apologetics on why God exists and why the Christian faith is true. If their faith is based on a foundation of feelings it is bound to crumble as it not based on a strong foundation.

However, the part I wanted to cover wasn’t Kevin Max and DC talk about I saw another guy who’s name is familiar in the article the WK linked:

Max’s comments come not long after former DesiringGod.org writer Paul Maxwell announced he is no longer a Christian, which he said in April “feels really good” and has made him “really happy.” Former Christian recording artist Jonathan Steingard has also left his Christian faith. In May 2020, he said, “I am now finding that I no longer believe in God.”

One of theologian John Piper’s sons, Abraham, has also been open about abandoning his faith, saying he just doesn’t believe ultimate meaning exists.

You may remember Maxwell from this SIMP article: Real men don’t love strong women.

After that piece he seems to have somewhat found the manosphere because he participated in the theopolis institute series on the manosphere. Paul Maxwell’s The Measure of a man. While he had gained a wider perspective of potential truth, he and the other theopolis writers didn’t quite get there because they kept trying to intermix boomer theology and “red pill” observations. Measure of a man seems to have been written after that supposed May 2020 confession, so I guess he was mimicking being a Christian still after that.

In any case, it seems his journey has taken a turn for the worse in that he is no longer a believer. Wish I could say that these things aren’t uncommon, but if someone is being blown to and fro by feminism and then the secular manosphere it’s not really a surprise that they will turn away from God. Many Christians seem to get pulled into the secular manosphere and lose their faith. Some find their way back through the Christian manosphere and ironically some through Jordan Peterson. However, the Church in general needs to do better with the Truth and especially on things like apologetics.

Hopefully, God can use the actual Truth to pull him back. I had my own similar journey when I was post-college where I was agnostic about God for a while due to not strong roots in the faith or apologetics, so it’s not the end for anyone as long as they’re open to seeking the Truth.

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8 Responses to Paul Maxwell’s journey to apostasy

  1. This is really interesting. So theological liberalism goes hand in hand with shaming and blaming men.

  2. Jack says:

    So many people who were strong proponents of Christianity (or I should say churchianity) in the 80s and 90s have turned over. I too went through a phase in which I couldn’t figure out what was going on. My mystical experience of believing in God just didn’t match up with the perspectives of the leading teachers and their interpretations of scripture, and this caused me to go through a period of deep confusion and being cynical about faith. Many years later and mainly by reading Dalrock, I realized that I wasn’t rejecting God, I was just rejecting churchianity and all the false theology thereof. But for all that time, it felt like I was very distant from God and I didn’t know why. So to be generous, I want to believe that many of these men are going through the same crisis of faith that I had, but haven’t yet recognized the difference between Christianity and the false religion of churchianity. But OTOH, I suspect that many of them crossed that fine line of committing blasphemy of the pharisaical/legalistic sort and this eventually resulted in their apostasy. Either way, it leads me to conclude that all of this is simply another very d@mning consequence of theological convergence.

  3. @ WK

    This is really interesting. So theological liberalism goes hand in hand with shaming and blaming men.

    Yup. It’s easy to point out the similarities between feminist, chivalry, liberal theology, and such. They’re all cut from the same cloth of elevating women (morally, positionally, etc) and removing, blaming, and castigating men.

  4. @ Jack

    So many people who were strong proponents of Christianity (or I should say churchianity) in the 80s and 90s have turned over. I too went through a phase in which I couldn’t figure out what was going on. My mystical experience of believing in God just didn’t match up with the perspectives of the leading teachers and their interpretations of scripture, and this caused me to go through a period of deep confusion and being cynical about faith. Many years later and mainly by reading Dalrock, I realized that I wasn’t rejecting God, I was just rejecting churchianity and all the false theology thereof. But for all that time, it felt like I was very distant from God and I didn’t know why. So to be generous, I want to believe that many of these men are going through the same crisis of faith that I had, but haven’t yet recognized the difference between Christianity and the false religion of churchianity.

    Yup, very similar to me. Rejecting the peddling of churchianity. Once the blinders got peeled back it was much easier to see that Christianity itself is true, but few people actually practice that (‘narrow is the gate that leads to life, wide is the road that leads to destruction’).

    But OTOH, I suspect that many of them crossed that fine line of committing blasphemy of the pharisaical/legalistic sort and this eventually resulted in their apostasy. Either way, it leads me to conclude that all of this is simply another very d@mning consequence of theological convergence.

    Yeah, it’s easy to get sucked into various delusions sadly. They all sound good in theory on some level but in practice they always bear bad fruit.

  5. Jack says:

    OT: Here, Rollo discusses how the church has espoused feminism as a replacement for Christianity, and how it has affected men in the church.
    This is one reason Men like Dalrock are vilified by Christian women who understand he’s wise to what’s transpiring in the church – the Feminine Imperative has taken the Lord’s name in vain by presuming to promote its agenda and socially engineer generations of men to support it by claiming it’s God’s will.”

    The Rational Male: Losing My Religion (2016-08-30)

    It’s remarkable how men outside the church can recognize this, but most men inside the church remain clueless.

  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The problem with Churchianity is that it is discouraging men. Go to church and look around. Are there twice as many adult women as men? Don’t blame football. Another thought. Church used to be a good place for men to meet women. Now, women are turning guys down because they don’t want the congregation to know if it fizzled, even with two to one odds. I think, in past times, people were adult enough to see that people didn’t hit it off every time.

  7. Sharkly says:

    We shouldn’t be too sad when these false teachers and churchian celebrities admit they’re not Christian. It helps to purify Christendom when the pretenders and grifters leave, and take their dupes with them. Hopefully it will help make room for leaders who actually believe the Bible and are not ashamed of what it says. We should be more sad when compromised fools stay on and keep teaching their watered down crap.

  8. Maniac says:

    I was in a similar position. My faith was built upon a foundation of fear and obligation. God called me back on several occasions over the past few decades; it’s His way of saying, “You’ve got Me all wrong.” Here’s to hoping He restores other victims of legalism as well.

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