Info posted this vid in the comments on Jack’s post. Interestingly, I was in the middle of writing something on this.
The video basically mentions several women making in-roads into the “manosphere” by basically parroting “red pill” talking points. I didn’t know about RomaArmy before, but it proves the point.
- https://www.youtube.com/@RomaArmyMensRights/videos
- https://www.youtube.com/@JustPearlyThings/videos
- https://www.youtube.com/@CourtneyRyan/videos
Essentially, what is happening is something that is similar to what happened mid-manosphere. Dozens of women’s blogs popped up around the ‘sphere and men generally flocked to them. For the Christian manosphere that was Sunshine Mary’s blog for a while.
This is why around 2015 I wrote a post on why I stopped reading women’s blogs and that men should stop doing that.
What I see tend to see is that men who need to grow in masculinity read womens’ blogs is that they get very complacent with their own growth. In addition, what usually ends up happening is that any discourse usually devolves into the blame game or patting on the back which wastes valuable time that could be spent elsewhere.
On the other hand, some men get set off track and end up holding said women as ‘paragons of virtue’ when they are simply women who have the nature of women and make mistakes too. Married men often become discontented in their own marriage at this, and it sets up unrealistic expectations for single men looking to be married.
In general, obviously I’m a small blog but the theme remains for social media content like it does for blogs. Don’t follow women in general.
Women who are able to understand and articulate the male experience (or at least parrot it effectively) have an exponential power to gain a following from men and women. For instance, I’ve noticed a general phenomena on Instagram where men and women with about the same level of status or fame, then the woman has about 10x the amount of followers. So if the man has 100k followers, the woman will usually have 1 million followers. If he has 10k she will have 100k.
While many women distrust said women in this instance, some of the women who are not woke will implicitly trust what the woman is saying because it comes from a woman and not a man. The vid makes the point that Rollo has 200k followers on Youtube and has been doing it for 20 years whereas these two in the past 2-3 years are already over 1M.
From the men’s side, it appears many men have this some sort of fantasy where they want to believe and want to think that women understand them. When women can articulate some of the male experience and how much harder it is compared to women and how the majority of men have gotten a really bad deal in the dating market it gives them hope.
While it’s true that some women can be taught these things and understand men better, I think generally it’s a big waste of time for men to invest in these types of things. We like to call the men that subscribe to a woman’s OnlyFans SIMPs, but this is nearly the same thing under the guise of supposed male improvement. It’s an emotional investment into something that isn’t going to be building you up that much and virtually places you in an echo chamber.
It’s attempting to find some sort of fantasy fulfillment in women, and even a woman that you’re not in a relationship with or married to. Neither is good, but the former seems more innocuous when it can be as destructive.
Christianity and masculinity 
It is the last pill I have yet to really take.
The truth is that men and women cannot discuss these issues with each other in any real, meaningful way.
The truth is that men understand women much, much better than women understand men.
Men are so starved for respect that they will gobble up a crumb like it’s a gourmet meal.
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Man’s original sin was hearkening to a woman instead of God. She is Satan’s gateway to defile men. Womankind are the defilers of men, who are the likeness and glory of our Father & Son Godhead.
Revelation 14:4 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,
While fools think that women’s “sexual validation” somehow elevates them, or makes them a man. Having sex with any woman defiles a virgin male, be they a mortal man, or even an angel. Not that all men aren’t already defiled with sin, of course, but note that those who have not been defiled with women, like Jesus Christ, are pure because they are virgins, not married churchgoers. Becoming one flesh with a defiler, defiles you, no matter how perfectly you may have followed all the churches rules. Jesus died for us, as the spotless Lamb of God, an unspoiled man, a virgin, not defiled by any woman.
Early church father, Origen, wrote: “Men should not sit and listen to a woman . . . even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since it came from the mouth of a woman.” ~ Fragments on 1 Corinthians
Yeah, the spate of female manosphere bloggers that were active around 2012-2014 almost all turned tail and started spewing typical feminist rhetoric and/or disappeared completely.
Probably a combination of maxing out their current audience and the rise of PoundMeToo that looked far more attractive to them in terms of getting the attention they craved.
Many Men have this weakness. But to succumb to it speaks to our enslavement still to the prerogatives of our flesh compared to the spirit.
The Spirit is to be master of the flesh. Not the other way around.
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@ Sharkly
This is dubious to me. God created men and women from the beginning sinless and man for woman and woman for man.
I find your single sentence statement to be wrong, not just dubious.
“God created men and women from the beginning sinless and man for woman and woman for man.”
1 Corinthians 11:7 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
God clearly tells us the man was not created for woman. Just because Eve hadn’t sinned prior to her creation didn’t mean that she wasn’t far more prone to defiling our world, and thus why our righteous and loving God designed to have men in charge of the morally weaker vessel. Adam’s reply to God shows his own surprise that God would give him a potential defiler for a gift.
Genesis 3:12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
From Genesis to Revelation, God’s word teaches us that women, who were created as the second class of human, are categorically less glorious than men, who are the image and glory of our masculine patriarchal Father and Son Godhead. Women were created not to be the likeness of God, but, instead to be under subjection to men, because our God is Holy, and that is what is best for women, due to their natural defiling tendency that needs to be ruled over by men.
Riddle me this from the Scriptures:
Does the blood of women not also make them unclean? (I say it does)
Was it a divine oversight that the Son of God died as an undefiled virgin? (I say, No)
In case you are wondering whom man was created for, it was for God. While women were created for men. Thus you can circumcise males unto God, but never females.
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@ Sharkly
Oops, I misspoke there, but that does not change the argument as that is a peripheral point. My point is that marriage and sex are perfect as they were Created by God before the fall.
Women being more prone to being deceived does not mean they are defiling by nature. It is only actual deception which is defiling. Hence, why the pastors in your previous Churches are defiling others in their deception and siding with your wife.
“Ritually unclean” because of bloodborne illness much like many of the unclean statements in the law based on disease and avoiding certain foods.
Nah. Per 1 Cor 7 like Paul says about staying single to purely focused on ministry. That was Jesus’ goal too.
If marriage and sex was defiling then you agree with the Catholic Church that pastors/priests should be unmarried (virgin) men?
Why did Jesus choose Peter as a disciple who was married?
There is also this problem of Men staying married to women whilst enduring cuckoldry:
It is one thing to admit that you misspoke, regarding the word of God. But it is another thing to claim that God misspoke in Revelation 14:4, when God told us that those who have not been defiled with women (εἰσιν – exist as or are) virgins. God did not say that those who had not been defiled with women are those who have not fornicated nor committed adultery. God said those men who had not been defiled with women were that way because they are virgins. I maintain that God is right in what He said, and in exactly how He said it there. I don’t feel the need to condemn God as being prone to misstatements or being poor at writing what He really means, just to flatter women who, God clearly told us, defile men.
I find it ironic that you’re so quick to accept a clearly apocryphal passage added to the New Testament, where Jesus supposedly helps an adulteress to cuckold her husband and get off scot-free, but you’re resistant to accepting original passages which clearly tell us that women are defilers and should rightly adorn themselves with shamefacedness.
https://winteryknight.com/2015/05/02/is-the-story-of-the-woman-being-stoned-for-adultery-in-john-7-8-authentic-3/
You seem to be having difficulty with some of the concepts I’m using. A man can become defiled without sinning, like by touching a dead body or something unclean. Just like it isn’t a sin that women menstruate, even though that defiles them for a period. Also, God can create something sinless and perfect, even though it will by its own created nature become a defiler, and be periodically unclean, according to God’s perfect plan. God created Satan “perfect in beauty”.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. God created the first woman knowing she would defile Adam. So, yes, she could be created perfectly and sinlessly and still defile Adam according to her defiling nature. She could have easily just listened to her husband, and stayed true to him, but it was her nature to listen to deception and to tempt the man to join her in her rebellion. And that still is the nature of ALL women today. To not be a defiler, women have to deny themselves, pick up their cross and follow.
No, I don’t agree with the Great Whore of Rome’s gnostic doctrine that sex is of the flesh and therefore always a sin, and so sex is only allowed when the sinfulness of it is overridden by God’s command to be fruitful and multiply. That assumes that God commands us to sin, knowing He can just pardon it, thereby disregarding His own supposed poorly thought out idea that sex is always an offense to Him. The Church of Rome erroneously maintains that Adam and Eve didn’t have sex in the garden of Eden. While the book of Jubilees teaches that Adam “knew” his wife as soon as God gave her to him, before he even named her “woman” and declared that she was now of his same flesh. Adam didn’t name his woman “Eve” (meaning: mother of life) until she started bearing children.
If you have God’s Spirit in you, and you can rightly divide truth from error, you might learn something from the following. But most will just point and shriek at this non-canonical scripture. While still revering the silly apocryphal “longer ending of Mark” which claims that all who have the Holy Spirit can safely do snake-handling and be immune to any poison they drink.
Enoch 15:3 Why have you left-behind the heavens, the highest heavens, the holy place of the age; and fallen-asleep with the women, and were stained with the daughters of the humans; and taken women for yourselves, acting like the sons of the earth; and have begotten for yourselves children, sons which are giants? 4 But all of you were holy-ones and living as spirits, perpetual. Yet you were stained in the blood of the women, and gave-birth in the blood of flesh. And you desired in the blood of humans, and you are producing flesh and blood, exactly as those do who die-off and perish. 5 It was for this reason that I gave them females, in order that they might cast seed into them, and, in this way, beget children by them, in order that descendants should never fail them upon the earth. 6 But you were existing as spirits, while living perpetual, and are immortal for all the generations of the age; 7 and this is why, I did not make females among you. In the heavens is the habitation for the spirits of the heavens.
You can learn, from the Bible, that women are natural defilers, if you really want to. Or you can worship your “perfect” woman, like Adam did, if that’s what you want. Adam obeyed the woman even when she told him to disobey God. That story is the natural pattern of life, not an anomaly.
@ Sharkly
The chapters surrounding Revelation 14 speak of men being marked with the beast and the whore of Babylon. In this respect, it’s a reference to 2 Corinthians 2 where Paul wants to present the Corinthian Church as a “pure virgin” to be Christ’s bride. The 144,000 “virgins” in Rev 14 are the Church remnant who have not prostituted themselves to the beast/whore of Babylon.
It does not need to refer to literal virgins. Parthenos in particular always refers to female virgins, and in this passage they are men. It would not make sense otherwise.
Jesus literally said “don’t sin anymore.” That’s not condoning adultery.
The problem with your line of thought is that you’re claiming that “sex is defiling.”
The OT is very thorough with things that defile and make unclean. Sex is not specified as one of them. Only sex during menstruation.
This is different than what you were claiming initially.
I can agree tentatively that women who are doing the works of the flesh are defilers.
But I still do not agree that sex itself defiles. 1 Corinthians 7 clearly tells us that believers can sanctify the non-believers with their marriage.
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
No one here is worshiping women. Don’t straw man.
@Sharkly, @Deepstrength
“But I still do not agree that sex itself defiles.”
Hebrews 13:4
“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.”
Interlinear:
Honorable-marriage-in-all-and-the-marriage-bed-undefiled-the-sexually-immoral for-and-adulterers-will-judge-God
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/13-4.htm
That is a heresy of the Manicheans. God could have created us asexual, agender beings. Who reproduce asexually as bacteria and lower animals do.
But God in his wisdom made us Male and Female. Christ and his Church. If sex itself defiles then Proverbs 5 and the Song of Solomon is the celebration and command to evil.
Calling Good evil is itself Evil.
@ Info
Good points.
I think it’s sometimes too easy to go too far in the other direction when affected by our past experiences, A lot of evil out there today with feminism especially with women and a lot of men caving to it can negatively affect our views of Creation, marriage, and sex. I’ve noticed that a lot in my past writings on this blog too.
“It does not need to refer to literal virgins. Parthenos in particular always refers to female virgins, and in this passage they are men. It would not make sense otherwise.”
Actually the word used in Revelation 14:4 is “parthenoi” which is masculine. It can more easily be interpreted literally, once you’re willing to defy our woman-idolizing culture. “Not defiled with women; for they are virgins”, sounds pretty straightforward to me. It is our woman-worshipping culture of licentiousness that wants to deprive holy virgins of all their honor, we shouldn’t join in by twisting God’s word to deny literal virgins the honor God has promised them.
“Jesus literally said “don’t sin anymore.” That’s not condoning adultery.”
The story is apocryphal, and quite contrary to the rest of scripture, so I personally don’t believe any of it. According to the story Jesus abolished a major part of His Father’s law by effectively decriminalizing adultery by saying that nobody (whoever is without sin) was allowed to throw stones, thereby carrying out His Father’s holy law. And churchians are all too quick to apply that bit of apocryphal nonsense to all sorts of other offenses thereby effectively making the church lawless and making Christ into the man of lawlessness.
DS, the sanctified can be defiled, the defiled can be sanctified. The one does not preclude the other. Just because a Godfearing husband can sanctify his wife, does not mean that she isn’t still a defiler by nature, and still capable of defiling her husband.
“No one here is worshiping women. Don’t straw man.”
“Worship” which originated from “worth-ship” means ascribing to someone or something the worthiness to be served. Whom you worship is not best shown by mere words and song and dance, but by a person’s actions. Some might say they worship God, rather than women, but whom do they really serve? For example: If God says women should wear a head covering when they pray, but you say, “No, pray however you want, wifey, Feminists have given us a silly excuse, and I accept it unquestioningly”, then you are worshipping her over God. Just like Adam worshipped the woman when he obeyed the woman and ate the fruit she gave him to eat, rather than obeying God. Thus God’s first commandment, to have no others before Him, was a command to address the first sin. Where the woman had obeyed Satan, and the man had then obeyed the woman.
We have all grown up in a woman serving (woman worshipping) Feminist culture. We all, by our upbringing, place the feelings of women above the will of God. It is quite hard to exist in our society without constantly falling back into the worship of women. If I even speak God’s truth to women at work, that they belong as keepers at home, I’d quickly be fired. I got a documented “verbal” warning last year, because some Feminist apparently overheard me telling another man that I didn’t think so many women should be in the workforce. If I don’t go along with the evil whims of the divorce court I’ll be thrown into jail for contempt of their Satanic court. If I tore down the altar of Molech in my city where they sacrifice innocent babies, I’d be in jail for life. Don’t fool yourself that you don’t worship women, along with the rest of the culture. You certainly don’t worship women as much as some folks, but don’t be blind to your own backsliding into that form of idolatry, when none of us are ever likely to be fully freed from the service of that cultural idolatry in this life.
Info, Deep Strength,
Defiling the marriage bed, is done, as the verse shows us, by sexual immorality and adultery. Defiling the man can be done as revelation 14:4 teaches by removing the purity of His virginity. Have you no clue why Satan and his crew is so bent on reviling literal male virgins?
The word translated as “defile” in Revelation 14:4 means to soil, stain, pollute, or foul.
The last half of Ephesians 5 tells how marriage is analogous to, or is a picture of, the joining of Christ with His proverbial bride. It ends by saying:
Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
Marriage is to be an image of Christ and His proverbial bride. Christ’s bride made Him to be full of sin! The union with His bride defiled the son of God.
1 Peter 2:24 Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Isaiah 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; upon Him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
I could go on citing verses, but it is quite clear if you care to read your Bible that the bride of Christ defiled Christ by becoming one in Him and imparting her own sins onto Him. That is the Gospel message in a nutshell. He became sin for us, and died for our sins, to cleanse us.
Also, husbands, just like Christ, are the better half. Marriage is not a union of two equals. There is an exalted head and a body, Christ and the Church, the image of God/Christ and the image of the church. Like Christ washes the churches sins away, husbands are supposed to wash away their wives iniquity, scrubbing her with the Word of God, and so too then sharing in being the Savior of the body.
The nuance is that sex isn’t “dirty”. It’s the woman that’s dirty and polluting by nature. And becoming one flesh with her through sex then defiles her husband. Are you somehow able to avoid your bride’s defiling when Christ could not? Were you not stained in her blood when you first had sex with her? You don’t have to answer that. LOL
Your worshipping of women blinds you to the truth, that you are to be her savior, and she is to be saved through “childbearing” (τεκνογονίας – literally performing her marital and maternal duties). She is saved through faithfully obeying God and doing what she was created for, to be a mate and a fitting helper to men. Any purported faith without genuine works is dead, and a lie. If she is a Feminist and refuses to serve God by serving men, she’s worshipping her own sex and on her way to hell.
1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
It was for this reason that I gave them females, in order that they might cast seed into them, and, in this way, beget children by them, in order that descendants should never fail them upon the earth.
That’s why God created women for men, to be a helper and a mate, a “help meet“. The word “meet” meaning: to satisfy or to fulfill, as in, to meet a contractual obligation.
But just as Christ was defiled by uniting with His bride, and the bride becomes exalted and redeemed by uniting with and faithfully serving Christ, so too we husbands all were defiled by uniting with our wives, yet they can perform righteousness by faithfully fulfilling their marital and maternal duties, as unto the Lord, and unto their own salvation which occurs by God’s grace through their faith as evidenced by their faithfully serving their intended purpose.
@ Sharkly
Why throw away the context of the surrounding verses and chapters? Along with what I’ve already said, the phrasing them being “firstfruits” like Christ and general offerings speak to purity and not literal virginity.
Huh? It’s clear Jesus is still against adultery and his disciples are too with the rest of the context of the NT when Jesus speaks on adultery in Matt 5, 19, Mark 10, Luke 16, etc.
Jesus is not abolishing the Law but fulfilling it, so people have the chance to respond to the gospel message, as you said, and repent and sin no more.
You didn’t even refute the verse. The marriage bed is honorable among all. Hence, sex doesn’t defile in marriage.
That level of cherry picking Rev 14 to try to cancel out this is as bad as the feminists cherry picking Eph 5:21 “mutual submission” and saying it applies to marriage.
This is an incorrect analogy.
Christ bore the sins of the unsaved so that they could become Christians. This is a fulfillment of the Law. Additionally, though Christ bore our sins to death and Hades, they were expunged from Him during His Resurrection. Christ was defiled so that unbelievers could become believers and only transiently.
Christ’s marriage takes place in Revelation 19, when He is spotless again and well after He has purged the those who persist in not following him such as the unfaithful Churches (Rev 2 & 3) by cutting them off if they persist in sin.
In other words, Christ is not defiled in His marriage.
We are to be like Christ’s example in our marriages to sanctify our wives so that it can be like Christ’s marriage to his spotless bride.
Anyway, if you want to want to argue this more you can do it on your blog. This is already a random tangent here.
Two things that can be kept in mind here.
1. When these women spout red pill truths their audience is not the same as the audience that the male red pill purveyors speak to. What I can hope for here is that the rulers of social media will be more inclined to leave these women alone and that some of the men who find the red pill through these women will then move on to the male content creators.
2. For those who are already in the manosphere it would be wise for them to take note of what Deep Strength is saying in this article. Within my own church I have seen the moral fibre of the church and its people weaken significantly since the leaders have pushed women into the roles of authority.
In one instance a female pastor wrote a romance novel that left little to the imagination. The leaders opted to do nothing when this was pointed out to them. Their lack of action sends a message to the people that women who do the wrong thing will not be held accountable.
@ GT
There’s no such thing as a “female pastor”. A church that appoints one is probably past the point of no return.