A reader writes in with some questions.
Recently started going to a new Church which seems promising…
Anyway, in one of your posts you talk about vetting a wife and how you would expect her to confess her sexual history. You mention being able to boldly confess your own past sins as well. I’m quite sure this church would advise a similar exchange for anyone pursuing marriage. My question is how should a man conduct himself in confessing sin to a woman, or even a fellow man, such as a pastor or accountability partner? I’ve felt convicted to go to someone and open up about my struggle, and I want to be prepared to have The Talk with a possible spouse.
Is it wrong to want to be stoic? Not have a tearful breakdown in front of a woman, but also be reserved in sharing secret sin with a brother?
I’ve struggled with porn use throughout my life. Recently I’ve been successful in cutting it out of my life. This has led to me accomplishing goals and getting the ball rolling on several more. I’m on a hot streak (for me at least). But I know this will need to be brought up in future relationships. I can’t lie about it. And I figure I shouldn’t wait to only confess to a potential wife. I need tips on confessing, because I’ve only shared this with a few close friends (non-Christian) and you. What is the “masculine” way to confess sin? How many details do you share (is the less said the better)? If you can give me any help with this it would be much appreciated.
If you’re newer here, I have a ton of posts in the Actionable Steps to Finding a Wife section. Some of these include the following ones on what I’ve written of my own experiences.
- My 5 step process to maturity in relationships
- A detailed timeline and how-to guide on the process of finding a wife
- Discussing sex and virginity with a potential spouse is important
- Questions and topics to learn about your prospective spouse
There are multiple questions here to go through, so let’s address them in order.
My question is how should a man conduct himself in confessing sin to a woman, or even a fellow man, such as a pastor or accountability partner? I’ve felt convicted to go to someone and open up about my struggle, and I want to be prepared to have The Talk with a possible spouse.
Generally speaking, with women The fallacy of teaching men to be emotionally honest part 2 rings true. Vulnerability can be a good thing with women as it exposes that you’re human and not perfect, but usually it should be done in a masculine way. In this respect, it is usually a good thing to be stoic and objective about it.
If a man is getting all weepy and teary the vast majority of women are going to find it a turn off and unattractive. How can they trust a man who breaks down when he shares his faults or makes a mistake? That type of man is going to cave if being put up to tough situations in the future where he may have to protect her.
With other men that tends to boil down on how close you are with them. If they’re very close brothers you can get as emotional as you want. I am generally not built that way personally, but I’ve had friends who were. If I do get emotional about something I tend to take it directly to God. But either way is not wrong.
I’ve struggled with porn use throughout my life. Recently I’ve been successful in cutting it out of my life. This has led to me accomplishing goals and getting the ball rolling on several more. I’m on a hot streak (for me at least). But I know this will need to be brought up in future relationships. I can’t lie about it. And I figure I shouldn’t wait to only confess to a potential wife. I need tips on confessing, because I’ve only shared this with a few close friends (non-Christian) and you. What is the “masculine” way to confess sin? How many details do you share (is the less said the better)? If you can give me any help with this it would be much appreciated.
Most of the time the best way to approach these situations is the masculine way: Here’s what happened. Here’s what I did to fix it or move on from it.
I told my wife I used to watch a ton of porn. I didn’t think it was an addiction but in retrospect it was. However, since actually experiencing the gospel for real, being baptized, and starting to walk the path of being a disciple of Christ, my desire for things of the flesh went down over time and porn trickled from being a daily thing to weekly to monthly, and then occasionally like a few times a year at the point I told her. Of course I had to also be disciplined and not do it as temptation does not go away like that either. If you have an accountability partner all the better too and you can mention that.
Basically, it comes down to: “I struggled with this in the past, and by God’s grace I’ve been conquering it.” With additional help such as accountability if you also had that.
In the case of talking about it, generally the less details the better as well. Just an overall summary is usually good enough. Same with discussion of any other sexual history with women, if she wants to know. My wife didn’t really want to know, so it wasn’t a big deal but some women do. Sometimes you can discern if it’s something that you should reveal or if it’s more of a trick question like “do these pants make me look fat” in which case you should warn her several times. Details on sensitive topics are like gossip — it tends to get the juices flowing and on these particular topics it’s generally in a negative manner.
The essence of the gospel is that we are all sinners in need of a Savior and that He has helped us conquer our flesh. This is a good thing. If a woman starts to be less attracted to you for past failings then just move on. If she’s unattracted and upset with you for failing, then she’s definitely going to see you at times when you fail in marriage and it’s going to be doomed from the start. You don’t want this type of noose hanging around your neck, just as you don’t want to marry a woman who is constantly disrespectful. Similarly, a woman holding past sins against you.
This isn’t to say a woman should be perfect or anything. You can try to lead and admonish for her if she is not acting Christ-like in any way, but if she is resistant toward your leading that is another red flag.
In most cases, at least nowadays, women will have some sort of sexual history to confess as well. Heck, even many women today have watched porn and/or are addicted to some form of it. So it’s not like this is something that only men deal with. At the end of the day, if a woman is rejecting a man for past porn, it’s highly unlikely she’s going to find a marriage partner who hasn’t seen any.
I watched porn before I met you, just like you sucked dick before you met me. You’re the worse sinner; beg for my forgiveness.
That’s the masculine way. Don’t let some whore pretend that looking at pictures is worse than being the whore in the pictures.
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@ george thakoi
No. This is an objectively terrible response.
“Worse sinner” doesn’t matter in Christianity. If someone plays the blame game with this, it will only destroy more relationships than it will help.
There’s no need for this, and it will do more damage than good.
I agree in concept that if a woman is getting overworked by past sins then they’re not a good fit for marriage because it’s likely they want to have some type of moral superiority over you. However, the problem with your response is that it’s exactly the same thing.
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George Thakoi is right, in that actual sexual immorality is a capital offense against God’s law, whereas even if looking at porn eventually turned into the lustful coveting of another man’s wife, the viewer is still only guilty of lust, which is the seed or root of adultery, not the act. Just as hate, which we all experience, is the root of murder. Jesus point in Matthew 5 (as per the Greek text) was that we all have the seed or root of adultery already preexisting in our hearts, and that is why we are even tempted to look in the first place. Jesus point to the Pharisees, who thought they were blameless before the law, was that they too were not as innocent and holy as God, and so they too would also need a savior to pay for their sins, to make them right before God.
Jesus was using hyperbole. He did not actually intend for people to pluck out their eyes, and none of His disciples ever did pluck out their eyes. This equalizing of the appreciation of the beauty of God’s gift to men, with the unfaithful act of adultery is mostly Feminist promoted foolishness. Designed to transpose men into the morally weaker sex, for truthfully acknowledging their God-given natural sexual attraction to women.
George Thakoi is right, no need to let some cock-sucking whore verbally run you down for being honest about being part of the 95% of men who’ve looked at porn. If porn hasn’t mastered you, by which it easily becomes goddess worship and idolatry, then don’t let anybody try to slander you as being any worse than everybody who spends time with hateful thoughts in their hearts. And if porn has mastered you, install some porn-blocking software or get a trusted friend to help keep you accountable and break the time-wasting addiction. The goal is not to rid yourself of your healthy masculine sex drive, but just of wasting your life lusting after pixels.
Don’t confuse a capital offense against God’s law, with an over-hyped thought-crime.