Women’s sin nature in marriage and contentment

The comments of Intelligent submission is not required and Submission is a test of faith have reaffirmed my conclusion from the Genesis 3 analysis in Genesis 3, the sin nature of women, good leadership, and female contentment. The funny thing if you read through the comments is that it’s mostly married women arguing points according to the script I laid out in the the exception temptation.

Now, the part I find most interesting is the lack of female contentment, which is the main thrust of Genesis 3. From the comments, you can start to get an accurate indicator of what is of interest. It goes along this progression:

  • Women are not interested in What Is.
  • Women are not interested in How It Should Be.
  • Women are interested in How It Should Be According To Her.

How It Should Be could be one of the goals of the godly leader — the husband — in marriage. However, this is How It Should Be According To Him. How It Should Be According To Him is not enough for many women. How It Should Be According To Her is the Way It Should Be. In other words, covert rebellion.

If you remember, I talked about the various forms of rebellion in Shades of Rebellion. The irony of covert rebellion seen in the difference between these two statements.

  1. Submission: I follow my husband’s lead.
  2. Covert rebellion: I let my husband lead.

That’s ultimately what it comes down to: women want to let their husband lead instead of following his lead. I had thought that twisted rebellion like the complementarians espouse was the main sin nature of women. However, I believe I am now wrong about that. Covert rebellion which is “I let my husband lead” is probably the main sin nature of women because it’s under the guise of righteousness (e.g. the husband is leading) but it gives her all of the power (e.g authority) in the relationship.

This is the true essence of virtue signalling. Grabbing power while maintaining the moral high ground. It’s not enough to grab power. It must be done with the moral high ground.

In other words, a woman must look good while rebelling or sinning. As Looking Glass likes to call it: Vanity. Vanity rebellion. Women’s sin nature in marriage is Vanity Rebellion.

Now that the veil has been pulled back on this pattern, you will see it everywhere. When women divorce, it must be her husband’s fault. When bad things happen in a marriage, the full responsibility is foisted on the husband. Any bad feelings are used as indicators that a husband is not leading in a godly manner.

Unfortunately, the Church plays right into this by assuming that godliness is attractive when that is false.

Conclusions

In conclusion, from the previous few posts and this one,

  • Submission is a test of faith.
  • Modern Christian wives have zero to little faith and trust in their husbands.
  • Women’s sin nature in marriage is Vanity Rebellion.
  • Modern Christian wives want to default to the “I let my husband lead” position because it signals righteousness (e.g. the husband is leading) but she still has the power (e.g. authority) to decide the direction of the family. In other words, you can lead until…
  • The true essence of virtue signalling is grabbing power while maintaining the moral high ground. It’s not enough to grab power. It must be done with the moral high ground.
  • A lack of contentment is the core that leads to the temptation to power grab under the guise of righteousness.

The scary part of virtue signalling is that it looks righteous until you example it closer. When you examine it closer, it’s a steaming pile of sin.

Christian husbands need to be on the look out for vanity rebellion. Calling out bad attitudes, rebellious behavior, and vanity is a good start.

If there’s anything to say to women who profess themselves as Christian: be content and encourage contentment to other Christian women via Titus 2. This will help stave off both the temptation to virtue signal and power grab in marriage.

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21 Responses to Women’s sin nature in marriage and contentment

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  2. donalgraeme says:

    Going to try and get a quick response up to this and your other recent posts.

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  4. Looking Glass says:

    The technicalities, as Deep Strength points out, are a little more complex. It’s about Power, Authority and Adulation without any responsibilities to God (let alone anyone else). It is self-worship to the complete extent.

    “Vanity” just sums it up nicely. It’s also well targeted rhetoric, as everyone understands when someone else is being “vain”. So there’s a deep mental hook to actions we don’t like in other people, along with solid Biblical references for those who get them.

  5. Mark says:

    “Unfortunately, the Church plays right into this by assuming that godliness is attractive when that is false.”

    Had this basically stated by a guest speaker at my church. It wasn’t the Christian thing to do but I actually said ” bullshit” out loud. Fortunately not very loud, so few heard. That’s the second guest speaker pushing these type of.things. The other was all about men need to so.this and that in relationships as if women also don’t have responsibility or moral agency. Sure, he weakly stated some of this will apply to women also but the entire message after that except for a tiny bit at the end was.directed at men

  6. feeriker says:

    That’s the second guest speaker pushing these type of.things. The other was all about men need to so.this and that in relationships as if women also don’t have responsibility or moral agency. Sure, he weakly stated some of this will apply to women also but the entire message after that except for a tiny bit at the end was.directed at men

    I’m only half joking when I say that one of these days I’m going to be unable to resist the nearly overpowering urge I feel to krav-kick guys like this in the nuts (or the place where their nuts would normally be) whenever I hear this kind of toxic garbage coming out of their mouths..

  7. feeriker says:

    Modern Christian wives have zero to little faith and trust in their husbands./I>

    Add “respect for” to that list, ideally before faith and trust. As I said in the comments for the previous post, neither of these two attributes are possible without respect being in place first.

  8. Robyn says:

    Good stuff here DS in identifying the problem. My only question is: How can a spoilt child UN-spoil themselves?

    If that’s not what you are saying, then I obviously need to re-read. It sounds like you are saying that wives just need to realize this about themselves and it will be fixed.

    Backing up. Everything you’ve said about women here is true; if they are feminists, which not all of us are (or in my case: are anymore). But to the ones still sitting at that blinding crippling low maturity level, it is, in simplest terms: a spoilt brat. Those of us with children know what chaos a spoilt child brings into the family. However, we are still the parent, the ones with the power to help that kid the most, and it certainly isn’t by pandering to them at their level. The parent must be willing to take the ‘bull by the horns’ (whatever that may look like) and do the right thing, no matter what the consequences are: even if they choose to leave.

    Isn’t it the same for any template of power? Parent/child. Boss/employee. Teacher/student. Cop/citizen. Captain/crew. Husband/wife.

  9. DS your term virtue signaling is interesting because the church has redefined female virtue. Independent, strong, sassy, beautiful, hawt, successful, smart these are the adjectives that one is likely to hear as praise of women from the pulpit (along with several insults hurled at men) . What is rarely extolled toward women are biblical virtues like: subordinate, kind, hard working, without complaint, self-controlled, content, other- centered, modesty of heart, fearless and anxiety free, thrifty and trustworthy. A woman can persist in sin and the church has a virtue to cloak it in so as to make her feel empowered and esteemed. White-knights will arise to protect the damsels by redefining virtue and so fulfill their quest of personal chivalry. The Church has become Don Quixote.

  10. feeriker says:

    What is rarely extolled toward women are biblical virtues like: subordinate, kind, hard working, without complaint, self-controlled, content, other- centered, modesty of heart, fearless and anxiety free, thrifty and trustworthy. A woman can persist in sin and the church has a virtue to cloak it in so as to make her feel empowered and esteemed. White-knights will arise to protect the damsels by redefining virtue and so fulfill their quest of personal chivalry. The Church has become Don Quixote.

    So all-pervasive has this become that I fear that the American church has passed the point of no return.

    About three months ago in a(nother now past) church I was attending, the assistant pastor was delivering a verse-by-verse message on Ephesians 5. When the person manning the slide projector with the PowerPoint clips of scripture flipped to the slide containing verses 22-24, the pastor acted as if he had been presented suddenly with a fistful of human excrement or a bowl of fresh vomit. His body language betrayed his visceral revulsion in that he immediately jerked his head and shouted “no, no! I don’t want those verses!” I didn’t hear another word he said after that.

    After the service I immediately confronted him and asked him why he chose to avoid those three verses. He immediately grew defensive and hostile (I later learned that this guy, the lead pastor’s son-in-law, had a serious inferiority complex having to do with his own background, particularly his childhood; “father AND father-in-law issues,” apparently).

    When <Ipastors en masse become AFRAID to preach the Word of God for fear that it will offend women (or the feminized betas that are most churchian men), the church is in serious, SERIOUS trouble! While this example is egregious, the same thing on a subtler level is taking place in almost ALL churches today.

  11. shredifier says:

    Thank you DS,
    Another perfect article that gets right to the heart of the problem

  12. Looking Glass says:

    @feeriker:

    They’re ashamed of the Word of God. As short & simple as that.

  13. Looking Glass says:

    Hit post too early.

    They’re ashamed because they don’t understand why God would say what He does. And they’ve never been willing to wrestle with the things that bother them. If you don’t know when you’re explaining something that goes against the text, you’re clearly not listening to God. All of these issues were discussion points I knew about by age 15. And I also grasped that what we pushed in the Churches didn’t work out, logically.

    But it’s really about the work within the Lord. When it’s not done for Vanity, it’s vastly more valuable.

  14. Don Quixote says:

    feeriker says:
    June 25, 2016 at 10:13 am

    About three months ago in a(nother now past) church I was attending, the assistant pastor was delivering a verse-by-verse message on Ephesians 5. When the person manning the slide projector with the PowerPoint clips of scripture flipped to the slide containing verses 22-24, the pastor acted as if he had been presented suddenly with a fistful of human excrement or a bowl of fresh vomit. His body language betrayed his visceral revulsion in that he immediately jerked his head and shouted “no, no! I don’t want those verses!” I didn’t hear another word he said after that.

    Sometimes it’s a case of not being able to see the rebellion, and sometimes it’s blatant endorsement of rebellion. I had a similar experience recently where I was visiting a local church that had new pastor. The guy preached a ~reasonable~ sermon until he quoted Proverbs 21:9.
    I immediately recognised the verse from the first few words and was about to give a heart felt ‘AMEN’ until he flipped the gender and said:
    It’s better to live in a corner on the roof than to share a house with a contentious
    man. ! Shock and Horror!
    I don’t go there any more.

  15. feeriker says:

    I immediately recognised the verse from the first few words and was about to give a heart felt ‘AMEN’ until he flipped the gender and said:
    It’s better to live in a corner on the roof than to share a house with a contentiousman. ! Shock and Horror!
    I don’t go there any more.

    Now if I had been there to hear a heretical perversion of the Word THAT blatant, I would have jumped up and made a major ruckus right then and there before being escorted out. But that’s just me.

  16. @ Jonadab-the-Rechabite

    DS your term virtue signaling is interesting because the church has redefined female virtue. Independent, strong, sassy, beautiful, hawt, successful, smart these are the adjectives that one is likely to hear as praise of women from the pulpit (along with several insults hurled at men) . What is rarely extolled toward women are biblical virtues like: subordinate, kind, hard working, without complaint, self-controlled, content, other- centered, modesty of heart, fearless and anxiety free, thrifty and trustworthy. A woman can persist in sin and the church has a virtue to cloak it in so as to make her feel empowered and esteemed. White-knights will arise to protect the damsels by redefining virtue and so fulfill their quest of personal chivalry. The Church has become Don Quixote.

    Virtue signalling actually comes from Heartiste I believe or at least that’s where I first heard it.

    Although he/they typically use it in terms of feminists shaming men. That certainly applies here, but it’s not all of what women will virtue signal it appears.

  17. @ Robyn

    My only question is: How can a spoilt child UN-spoil themselves?

    Well, it is certainly [partly] the husband’s duty to help a wife reign in her sin nature. Washing of the water of the Word for sanctification in Eph 5.

    However, women have been given responsibility to do it even by themselves, especially with unbelieving husbands such as in 1 Peter 3.

    Certainly women have free will and freedom in Christ. Likewise, they should be held accountable to use their freedom for good and not evil.

  18. Don Quixote says:

    feeriker says:
    June 25, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    Now if I had been there to hear a heretical perversion of the Word THAT blatant, I would have jumped up and made a major ruckus right then and there before being escorted out. But that’s just me.

    Perhaps I should’ve been more vocal, but I was just a visitor and that congregation has recently lost its regular pastor to cancer. So I spoke to the only guy I knew there and left.

  19. Coastal says:

    @Deep Strength

    “Unfortunately, the Church plays right into this by assuming that godliness is attractive when that is false.”

    Somewhat on topic (even though it feels like a dead horse is being beaten); this puppy popped up on my FB feed yesterday:

    http://www.boundless.org/blog/fat-single-christian/

    Man, I’m just so fed up with Churchianity at this point. It’s bad when “Christian” publications put out stuff that mirrors what you see in the modern feminist movement. The author is whining about Christian men not being attracted to her personality b/c she’s overweight, and none of it is her fault. I’m just reading this thinking “if she really wanted to, she could knuckle down and fix this with a diet change and some weightlifting”, but nope, let’s blame the big bad societal beauty standards.

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  21. feeriker says:

    The author is whining about Christian men not being attracted to her personality b/c she’s overweight, and none of it is her fault.

    Unless she’s grotesquely, morbidly obese, there are plenty of desperate, thirsty betas out there who would grab her in a second.

    I’d bet a paycheck that the reason she’s still single and alone is NOT because she’s a landwhale, but because she’s an obnoxious 24-karat bitch with an entitled princess attitude ten times bigger than she is. Gisele Buendchen might get away with that crap, but NOT Melissa McCarthy!

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